So I finally have time to get back to playing Warmachine/Hordes weekly. When I was only able to go once or twice a month, it was hard to get into a new army so I mainly played the armies I was used to, Cryx and Legion with Rhyas. Now that I have time again, I think it’s time to get familiar with a new army, the Retribution.
I managed to play another game with Rhyas this past week with the same list. To recap:
I played against Jim, another Legion player. I considered trying out another army to avoid the mirror match but Jim made me stick it out.
He played Primal Thagrosh. I remember there being a Carnivean, Seraph, Shredder, 2 Harriers. And a unit of Warmongers.
I advanced, casting occultation on Rhyas and shying away from his carnivean’s 19″ threat range. I took a hill in the middle with a relatively safe distance.
Jim ran a number of beasts up and cast defensive animi.
Note to self: Sprint only works if you kill something. I got so excited about killing something and sprinting back that I forgot to read the rule correctly. Rhyas charged in to the Seraph throwing her full fury at attacks and missed killing it by just a few boxes. Well crap. If I had thrown just a shredder in or popped my feat I world have been golden. Now that I think of it writing this down, I could have popped the feat mid activation when I realized it was. Going to fail. Lesson learned.
The rest of the turn was spend maneuvering the rest of my troops around Rhyas to kill threats and block lanes. I had a free transfer to my Carnivean due to Rapport however.
In Jim’s turn he threw a bunch of stuff at me. 2 of the Warmongers got in range with reach and one got a lucky hit in needing a 9. Jim’s nice play with this was that he ran them first, knowing that they wouldn’t do much else terribly important but if they hit, it would mean the rest of his turn was much easier.
There was some more manuvering but the deathblow came when Thagrosh used his feat to bring back the Seraph, Slipstreamed his Carnivean out of combat and slammed my own Angelius over Rhyas, killing her.
It’s hard to learn a lot from this game as I basically made 2 major mistakes right away and the rest of the game was spent trying to recover from them. So…
1.) Take steps to make sure that Rhyas can kill her target if you want to sprint out. She can dish out a lot of damage but. Bad rolls or simple miscalculation can ruin any plan. The shredders can keep up with her and can lay down some of that initial damage pretty well.
2.) Pop that feat! Rhyas’s feat can make for a great assassination run popping her or a Carnivean or an Angelius in range of a caster with an extra attack but it can also be very effective in getting in that first strike and decimating the opposing army. I probably should have done that in this case.
3.) Rhyas can pop her feat in the middle of her attacks if you find that she needs that extra attack or you decide to shift modes based on good or bad dice rolls. If I had done this, Rhyas would most likely have killed. The Seraph, reaved its focus, been placed, hit something else and sprinted. Away leaving the rest of the army to go on a mad tear rather than having to protect her.
All in all I continue to really enjoy Rhyas. I have yet to be hamstrung by fury management and the moderate support she gives her beasts with Rapport is fun. I feel like I have some better ideas on how to run her after a couple of games and we’ll see if my gamer-ADD will let me stick with her for a while.
I am considering dropping the gobbers. They have a rough time keeping up and occultation and high DEF keeps Rhyas pretty safe.
I would like to try the Raek. It’s a cool model, its animus seems like it would be great on Rhyas and leap with her feat sounds like fun.
’till next time,
I worked at a Games Workshop for a few years and I got pretty good at painting up a whole army in a quick way that looks pretty good and I love teaching people to do the same.
So here’s the deal. Let me know in the comments section what model or type of model you want to see a painting guide for. I love painting random stuff and I’d love to help people out. It would be better to do a more general type of model who’s painting techniques can be applied to to a whole army.
Just let me know what you want to see!
After having only played two casters for the couple of months leading up to TempleCon I feel like I’ve gotten a pretty good grasp of them. One of those was Lich Lord Asphyxious. He has long been my favorite caster and I ended up playing him exclusively at the High Noon tournament at TempleCon. I ended up 3-1 losing only to the eventual second place finisher before taking off. Hopefully some of the insight I have gained will help those looking at the Lich Lord. This is a long one so brace yourselves.
The Lich Lord doesn’t have any extraordinary statistics. His MAT is not pitiful so you can hit things on the off time when you need to. His focus is nice and high.
DEF 16 is what I personally start to think of as ‘high’. At 16, even your MAT 7 troops need 9s to hit. The bell curve gets pretty steep at that point and you either need a lot of attacks, defense debuffs(which still need to hit), or boosts.
After that short rant, the Lich Lord is not that high but it still protects him against some attacks but won’t do much against a dedicated assassination.
He is of course Undead. His other abilities Terror and Cull Soul are nice but very rarely come into play as you usually don’t want him that close to the enemy.
Daeamortus firstly has an awesome name. Great POW with Reach so if you need it, you can lay a little smack down. The reach is quite useful for being able to get a charge off to extend your feat threat range. You want the extra 3″ from a charge to get closer to the target, or to get a better angle. More on the feat next but I usually charge one of my own models before feating and the reach gives you more options on where to end up.
The Soul Reaper ability looks fantastic on the surface but I have found that it doesn’t really gel with my play style. You have to get within 14″ of a whole group of targets and then make sure you can kill them. I usually have my troops way far ahead with Asphyxious hanging back so it doesn’t see play too often. However, if you play much more front line, or don’t run everything so far ahead, I can definitely see how it would come into play more.
This is Epic Asphyxious’s bread and butter. This is his thing, and it is really powerful. You bring 10 warrior models back to the table as solos for the turn.
This is usually what you will use to win the game one way or another. I’ll discuss it more under the Winning section
Remember that the models are placed within 3″, not completely within 3″ which means that you can place that Soulhunter with just a fraction of his base within 3″ and with the size of his base, he gets pretty close to the target.
Also it has been ruled that if you bring back a model that has already activated this turn, it cannot activate again since it is the exact same model. So no more attacking with a model, killing it yourself then bringing it back or intentionally getting a model killed with free strikes to bring it back. You can kill it before it activates, however.
If you, for whatever reason, you cannot get to their caster, the feat can also be used to decimate their army.
Caustic Mist: The fact that this is not a upkeep makes it fabulous. You can cast it multiple times, throwing up a 9″ wall of cloud to prevent charges and ranged attacks. Troops can’t run in as they will instantly die. This is usually my plan in the first turn or two.
Death Knell: If they have clumped up their models it’s nice. If you just want to throw an AOE out there it’s nice but otherwise I rarely cast it.
Excarnate: Free Banes are fun and this is a good, high pow spell with a decent range. I don’t usually cast it with the purpose of getting a model, but it’s a nice side effect.
Hellbound: I cast it first turn and upkeep it most of the game. Gives you that added layer of protection. Pathfinder and the like are the only melee threats you will really fear.
Parasite: Standard spell and is very useful. That being said I usually only cast it on my feat target. You attack from so far away and want to keep your arc node safe that I rarely have a target before then.
Teleport: As if Caustic Mist and Hellbound weren’t enough, you can also just teleport out of harm’s way at the end of your activation. If you want to be sneaky you can walk up, throw down your soul reaper template and teleport back. Good to cast after using your feat.
The feat is usually what is used to assassinate the opposing caster. Additionally, the feat models can be used to to win you a game by scenario. In the destruction scenarios, the objectives are usually easier to take out than the caster. In the control point scenarios it becomes a bit more difficult but the feat models can be used to blast the opponent’s models off of the objective and occasionally destroy models who are near enough to take the objectives next turn, allowing you to get them for two turns in a row.
The first question is which models to bring back. My usual list is 5 soulhunters, Bane Lord Tartarus(if he has died), 1 Bane Thrall(I always want 1 model with Dark Shroud on the target) and the rest Bane Knights.
I top choice is the Soulhunters for a couple of reasons. Firstly is threat range. They charge 11″ and have reach. Banes are close but that little extra is nice to have. Second is Tall in the Saddle and their large bases. One big problem for the feat turn is getting LOS to the target and getting past things in the way. All the feat models can move through things in their way, but if they can’t see, it doesn’t matter. The Soulhunters can see past that wall of models, and also attack over models closely guarding the target with their reach weapon. Additional reasons include MAT 8 on the charge and the multiple attacks. The 3 attacks is really nice because even if you need 10s to hit, one or two of them will land. Finally and perhaps most importantly is the light cav movement. After they have made their 3 attacks on the target they can move 5″ out of the way to allow the next models in. It is very difficult to get 10 models around a single model, now you don’t have to try.
I also like to have 1 model with the Dark Shroud ability to stand next to the target. If Tartarus cannot get there himself, or a “living” Bane Thrall can’t get in there, I bring one back to make sure I have it. +2 Damage on every attack makes sure the attacks that hit will do enough damage, espically against a high armor target. If the Thrall can get a weapon master attack in, so much the better.
You really want to have Tartarus curse your assassination target. It sounds basic, but it’s that important. Getting the curse on is more important than Tartarus hitting the target himself so I will often charge another model, kill it and then curse the caster, just to make sure he has the range/angle. This can be used to clear LOS for your other Banes as well.
The rest is just Bane Knights. MAT 8 with the curse, reach and Weapon Master makes them hit pretty well. They’re right around the same level of awesome as the Soulhunters, but for me the extra attacks, the big base and the light cav move put them over the top. If you’d rather spend the points on something other than Soulhunters and just use the knights, I couldn’t blame you.
Other models to bring back could include:
Pistol Wraiths – 2 Pow 12 RAT 7s isn’t bad now that they can shoot in melee. Death Chill can also protect you from retaliation if you fail.
Darragh Wrathe – Comes back dismounted but if you kill something to cast deathride you can get closer and get some better angles.
Slaughterborn – He’s okay, but he doesn’t hit much harder than a Bane Knight, costs 3 points and his base gets in the way.
Executing the Feat turn:
The first thing is estimating the distance for the feat. You can pull it off at extreme distances, but it will make it harder to get all your models in combat with the opposing caster. I usually charge my own model with eLich to get the maximum threat range which is ~ 6″ move + 3″ charge + 10″ Charge+Reach of the banes = ~19″. You get a extra distance from the placement of the feat models but not all of them will be able to get that close. Your closest Soulhunter could be placed an extra 5″ and has an extra inch of movement so the above estimate is very conservative. Also Darragh Wrathe can use death ride to give everyone an extra inch of movement.
Before you activate Asphyxious get an arc node in range to cast parasite on the opposing caster. This will go a long way toward helping the kill. Boost the to hit when you cast it and use your Combine’s Puppet Strings on Asphyxious so he can reroll the attack roll. It’s that helpful.
REMEMBER, the feat models are solos with their own activations. It is so easy to pop your feat and start activating feat models. Finish Asphyxious first. Cast whatever spells you need including parasite and possibly Teleport just in case.
I discussed most of the feat model tactics above. Some times you will need to open LOS for the feat models. This can be done with another feat model or with things like Pistol Wraiths and the shiny new Siren.
Many times, with Parasite and a Dark Shroud 1 or 2 Soulhunters will do the trick but you always want to play to get the most models charge lanes in case of terrible rolls. Remember Soulhunters get +2 MAT on the charge and can make an attack with their mount.
The key is to bring enough models to bring back. I like to bring lots of extra so that I have options and I can be sure that enough have died.
Here are my typical choices:
Cankerworm: He’s just to good with either Asphyxious. The caustic mist is a nice addition. He can charge up, scuttle back and pop a cloud in front of him
Arc Nodes: I usually only bring one. He’s just there to sneak in for the kill. Sometimes he slams something for me. I go with a shooty one. Defiler if I have an extra point, Nightwrench otherwise.
Helldiver: I’ve started to add one of these at higher points. His burrowing allows me to line up a nice slam to knockdown pesky high DEF targets.
You may have noticed that I love Soulhunters. I like the max unit but min works too. If you bring them, Darragh Wrath is a great addition.
Bane Thralls/Knights: Knights give you the reach, Thralls have stealth, dark shroud and are cheaper. Knights are probably more effective on the feat turn but I solve the problem by bringing both. If you bring either then you must bring Bane Lord Tartarus. His curse is what allows the banes to actually hit. Try not to let him get removed from play. Killed is no problem. Removed from play messes up your Christmas.
Pistol Wraiths: I love them. The ability to halt a big jack or just clear a hole is great. And the ability to be brought back with the feat is nice.
Withershadow Combine: Provide a free upkeep, a nice reroll, some more ranged as well as some anti jack hitting if necessary. The models don’t hurt either.
My Typical Lists:
Min Bane Thralls
Min Bane Knights
Bane Lord Tartarus
Upgrade Bane Knights to Max
A nice heavy ‘jack: Having a high MAT heavy can be a nice addition. I don’t typically run one but the ability to double handed throw something or simply lay down some smack after the feat has cleared some room is a nice punch to have. Slayer or Reaper is fine. Seether, Nightmare and Deathjack are more expensive but usually worth their points.
“Slammer”: As I will talk about soon, high DEF models are a problem. Bringing a model to lay down a slam or double handed throw is nice. This can be a Helldiver, Stalker, Heavy, whatever you like, but it’s something to think about.
Warwitch Siren: The only reason she isn’t in my lists is that she wasn’t out for TempleCon. I played her with Mortenebra and she was amazing. I would put 2 of her in there for the Helldiver or Pistol Wraith and downgrade the node. The sprays are great for clearing. Giving the arc node a focus, or moving a pain model out of the way.
There are not a lot of bad models in MkII so if there are models you like, give them a try. I haven’t played with everything. If you have your own thoughts, please let me know.
The biggest problem the Lich Lord has is high DEF casters.
DEF 15 or lower is the nicest. Your feat models are hitting on 7s and if you get parasite and dark shroud on them all you should need is a couple hits.
16 I am okay with as 8s with the number of attacks you’re throwing should be okay. Casters with that high a DEF usually don’t have too high an ARM so you probably only need 2 hits.
17 or higher is where you’re in trouble. Statistically, you’re looking at 2 or 3 of your charge attacks hitting but it’s pretty risky. If you can knock the caster down then you’re golden but otherwise, slightly below average dice and you’re in trouble.
When I’m playing a 2 list tournament, I have been bringing someone who can hit high DEF, namely Mortenebra.
Specific Caster Pitfalls:
Anything that decreases speed while in an area or prevents charging. The feat avoids a lot of abilities since they’re not present during the enemy’s turn.
Haley – Temporal Barrier stops your models from charging basically destroying your feat. Take your other list or just destroy her army.
Old Witch – At least it’s her feat that stops you. Just wait out the feat and do it next turn.
Zerkova – See Old Witch
eDenny – If Asphyxious got caught in her feat, you’ve probably lost. But if you survive you might be close enough to her to get her anyway. If she’s incorporeal camp some focus and hope for next turn.
Witch Coven – Get close or see Old Witch
eNemo – Polarity Shield. See Haley
eMagnus – See Old Witch
Adeptus Rhan – see eNemo
I started playing eGaspy in MkI because I loved the imagery of the spectral legion and his model. It wasn’t until after I got the model that I realized how awesome he is. I played in my first real tournament with him and did pretty well. He’s my boy. He only got better in MkII because of some of his rule changes(Feat models not being damaged and removing upkeep from caustic mist) as well as other models getting better. He is one of the top tier casters now for Cryx so I feel a little bad playing him but I thought I would share my experiences.
I’ve been playing Cryx for a year and a half or so and I still love them, but after TempleCon, I’m looking to be a little more relaxed in my gaming before the New England Team Tournament. I told myself I would become really familiar with MkII Cryx, choose 2 complimentary casters and playtest lists for the tournaments at TempleCon starting in January and I did just that. It all felt a little too serious though.
Now, the plan is to start on one of the armies I’ve been collecting models for and have a more relaxed time playing smaller games and learning a new army.
In my choice I had a couple of requirements:
1.) I wanted to use a lot of jacks/beasts. I’ve been playing a lot of infantry with Cryx. I have gotten to use a lot more jacks with MkII and playing Mortenebra but all the same, I wanted that to be a focus.
2.) I was leaning towards Hordes so I could get a better handle on the nuances of the Fury mechanic. I always forget little things like to kill the possible transfer targets first because I’m not familiar enough with the way Hordes plays.
3.) I wanted something in your face. With many Cryx casters, it is very easy to hang in the back of your army. I want a change.
4.) It should be one of the armies I have models for already.
5.) As always, I need to like the models. This is kind of taken care of in #5.
So my options were:
Legion(Are Hordes, have cool beasts)
Trolls(Are Hordes, have cool beasts, not in love with their up front casters)
Skorne(Are Hordes, have cool beasts)
Retribution(Are new, people in our area need practice against them, too much temptation to play a lot of infantry, not all models released)
Khador(Have cool ‘jacks, don’t own many models for them yet)
So as you maybe can see I was sort of torn between Skorne and Legion and I still am, but for the time being at least I went with Legion.
So lots of beasts you say? Sounds like a job for epic Thragrosh but as cool as he is, after hearing about Ultimate Legion doing so well with him and crazy sprays, I was a little put off towards using him. Since everyone loves ninjas I decided Rhyas would be fun to play at the very least.
Now when I started Cryx, no one wanted to play small games. I had to talk people down to 500 from 750, when what I really should have been playing to learn my army better was more like 350. So I decided that I would play 25 point games with my new army. Rather than get sucked into larger games, I would just paint instead. Luckily, a portion of our Resurgence event is 25 and there are a number of people starting new armies/dusting off old armies so people were down.
Here’s the army I tried:
Before I get into the games, there is a problem with Rhyas’s feat. It basically says, “After a friendly model damages a model, place the friendly model after boxing the enemy model” It changes conditions mid sentence. There is no official ruling on this but the previous version was “after boxing a model…” so it seems that it was the intention to change it to “damaging” in the whole thing but the second part was missed. I will of course check with my opponent, but this is how I will try to play it in the future. It did cause me some problems.
I played 2 games. The first was against Haley. Gotta say, I’m not a fan but the game was against Sevwal who is a great guy so it was of course enjoyable. I got in there and did some damage but eventually got killed after a failed assassination run.
The second was against Stubbs playing Mortenebra who I know pretty well. I was able to protect against the quick assassination run. I might have been able to take out Mortenebra with the Angelius but the reading of the feat messed me up as I was killing scrap thralls who are removed before they are boxed. If the reading really is after damaged, then it would have worked but it was again, a lot of fun.
Fun Rhyas bits from a Noob:
Rapport on the Carnivean for spraying is pretty cool. RAT 6 helps.
Between the Feat and her own abilities, the Angelius is crazy getting to the opposing caster. Rapport for even more fun.
Even though 1/3 of her spells were essentially useless because I was running almost all beasts, it was still a good time.
It was interesting to use the Fury mechanic myself. Even with a Fury of 5 I think I kept it pretty well together and didn’t once make a threshold check.
I really liked playing a melee caster with a small control area. It forced me to be more aggressive like I wanted.
I will keep everyone updated on the Legion’s progress both playing and painting. I plan on maybe adding a Seraph for slipstream next though I did like the army I used.
After a short hiatus, the Bane Knight Guide returns. For Part 1 click here. Now on with step 3!
We only have 2 areas of the models left to paint, the rest of the armor and the skeletal parts(head and hands).
Step 3 – Silver Armor
These parts of the armor are intertwined with the gold parts we have already painted and we want those gold parts to shine so we will go with a very simple silver technique.
After that all we do is give the areas a coat of Badab Black wash(see pictures for the next step). It’s that easy!
Step 4 – Skeletal Areas
And for the last step I went a little more intricate(read: not drybrushing and washing). I put down a Graveyard Earth basecoat. I may have done the eyes with a dot of white and a green wash but that’s not necessary.
Next I highlighted these parts with Kommando Khaki. I painted everything but the recesses.
Finally I throw a Devlan Mud wash on the bone sections to dirty them up a bit and as an easy way to mask quick highlights.
As an alternative to the Skeletal section, for my Bane Thralls I did these parts at the same time as and with the same steps as the ghostly green cloth. It makes them look like ghostly skeletons, and saves you a step.
And there you have it, your quick and dirty, 2 part Bane Knight painting guide.
I am actually really enjoying my Cryx because I have told myself that I will just get them out on the table painted. I am not painting models individually, I am doing them with a system and in batches. I followed this same concept for Pistol Wraiths, Bane Thralls, Mortenebra and Deryliss, and Asphyxious. I would also make sense for Soulhunters, Ghost Pirates and I’m sure a number of other Cryx models. Spending a lot of time painting models can be fun, but I think I’ll take having a painted army instead.